Ryan Phillippe, hard cider and sunk costs

by Jessie K on May 20, 2010

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There is no reason for this image to be here other than it cracks me up

The other night Jake was bottling hard pear cider in the designated brew room and I heard him exclaim, “Blugh! This cider tastes like crap.”

I went over to check out what he was doing.  He looked at me with a tortured expression and thrust a bottle in my face. “Here, drink this.”

“Um, isn’t that a little like you telling me to ‘smell your finger?’” I asked. “No thanks.”

“I don’t know what happened,” he remarked, taking another long draw. “But it tastes awful.”

“Then why do you keep drinking it?” I asked. I noticed a long row of capped bottles on the counter. “And more importantly, why do you keep bottling it?”

“Because I’ve invested a lot of time and effort in this cider, babe,” he said as he capped another bottle. “I climbed the tree to pick the pears. Friends helped me pick them.  It took a long time to juice them. I carried 30 pounds of peels to feed to the chickens. I’ve been monitoring and fermenting the juice since November.  I can’t toss it now.”

“Even though you know the cider sucks?” I asked. “Sounds like a sunk cost to me.”

Sunk costs sometimes cause people to make bad choices. Because we’ve already invested so much time, effort or money in a particular endeavor — be it in the stock market, a job, a relationship, or, in Jake’s case, forcing himself to bottle sucky cider — we have a tendency to stick with that choice, even though switching courses may be more beneficial to us in the long run since it frees us up to make better choices instead.  Think of the investor who refuses to dump an abysmally performing stock even though all signs point to a continued decline in its market value. Or slogging through a book or a movie you actually hate because giving up is a validation of all that wasted time and effort.

I remembered a few months ago, Jake and I were watching the actor Ryan Phillippe bastardize a Dutch accent in a sucky film called Five Fingers on Netflix, and about a half hour into it, I looked at Jake and said, “This movie is a sunk cost. I’m going to bed. I’ll get more satisfaction from leafing through a Land’s End catalog. Care to join?”

“Nope,” he said. “I started Five Fingers, I’m gonna finish it.”

“Even though we both know you hate it as much as I do?”

“Yep.”

As I lay in bed that night, I was secretly pleased with myself for having made the hard choice to cut my losses, to nullify my irritation over watching Ryan Phillippe try to act for the more serene pleasure of perusing crewneck shift dresses in a Land’s End catalog. I felt like a prudent investor. Jake, meanwhile, seemed like an irrational, overly emotionally invested one.

I mentioned this episode as Jake bottled the sucky cider, and reminded him that when he did finally climb into bed at 1 a.m. that night, he himself admitted the movie was a waste of time.

“Don’t you think that bottling this cider is a little like watching Five Fingers?”

“Maybe, but the problem with your sunk cost theory is that it makes a person a fair weather friend,” he said. “A sunk cost person gives up. When things don’t go as planned, a sunk cost person bails. That’s not a good strategy for success.”

“Drinking cider that tastes like donkey piss isn’t a good strategy for success either,” I said. “Some goes for enduring Ryan Phillippe for two hours. You could make the decision to dump this cider down the drain right now and allocate your time and energy and resources toward making a fresh batch that tastes better.”

“But I can’t waste all those pears,” he said. “Goes against my nature.”

“So…by the same logic….are you saying that you’d stay in a bad relationship even though the relationship left you with nothing but a bad taste in your mouth?”

“Yep,” he said. “I don’t give up when the going gets tough.”

“But isn’t that also a little disingenuous?” I asked. “You end up not being 100 percent true to your own feelings, or the other person’s.”

“But I’d never leave you, hon.”

“Even though you might be totally miserable inside?”

“We’d work through it.”

The conversation was getting too hypothetically deep for my liking, so I let the matter drop.  But it made me wonder — is it really better to pour the proverbial cider down the drain, or force oneself to drink it, like Jake?  Which act is more sincere?

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Rachel (Hounds in the Kitchen) May 20, 2010 at 11:39 am

I think the line in the sand for me is whether something has a chance of being redeemed. Hard cider, once bottled, is never going to be spectacular if it started off crappy. A movie might improve, but not likely.

A relationship is a totally different thing, though. With time and effort, relationships can often change for the better.

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Marisa May 20, 2010 at 3:29 pm

First of all? that photo cracks me up, too.

Anyway, in answer to your question, I think context is really important. I don’t think pear cider can have fair-weather friends, really – would its feelings be hurt if the whole batch got dumped? Likewise with the movie – Ryan Phillippe will neither know nor care whether you finish watching it.

Relationships (of all kinds) are different, because there’s someone who would be genuinely hurt if you just gave up. (Which is not to say that relationships are necessarily worth staying in, either, just that there are more considerations with them.)

Context aside, though, if all a given thing has going for it is that you put time/money/effort into it at some point in the past, why keep going? It only makes sense if there’s something else aside from that past expenditure that makes it worthwhile.

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Meredith May 20, 2010 at 6:59 pm

I think that if you can both agree that the cider is crappy then it is ok to dump it. And you can not compare a relationship to a bunch of squashed up pears that ended up tasting like crap.

Treat the entire relationship like an entire lifetime of making cider: you start out learning how to make it, you practice and you refine your methods, and eventually you come out with some damn good cider. And once you get it down, you will have good cider indefinately. Sure, you will have some crappy pears that make some piss-like cider once and a while but it is just the pears. Just the pears.

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Laura Simpson May 20, 2010 at 9:47 pm

I think you two balance each other perfectly, you will never go hungry (or thirsty), and you are both easily entertained- sounds like a happy life to me!

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Ms. Blake May 21, 2010 at 12:51 pm

I know the question was more of a philosophical one but it brought to mind the plum wine my husband and I attempted to make last year (with plums from our tree, naturally). We put so much effort into making it only to find a finished product so awful that not even our bulldogs wanted to take a sip! Seriously, it could have taken the paint off the hull of a ship. Lesson learned: best to cut your losses and move on (unless you have a ship that needs stripping.)

Anyway, I love your site and can’t wait to purchase the book! (we still need to do something with those darn plums!)

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Jenny May 22, 2010 at 6:07 am

I don’t think that the analogy of friendship to cider counts. I’ve had a similar problem at times with “sunk costs” and my husband is the one who has been talking me out of them for years. He’s finally started convincing me. Too many evenings where I had finished the last few bites even though I was full because “it was too much to save and I wasn’t going to throw it out” or going to bed dizzy and miserable because “this was the last of the bottle I had brewed” so I was miserable instead of happy from enjoying an evening from my own brew convinced me that perhaps he’s right.

Sometimes I can salvage that work. For example, the crappy wine turned out to be delightful when mulled with certain fruits, and I kept that case for mulling and didn’t force it down and have a lousy evening forcing myself to drink it. Sometimes it can’t. I hope that your husband finds a use for the pear cider that doesn’t involve forcing it down his gullet. Maybe it would make an interesting sauerbraten. I hate the idea of wasting a large chunk of meat to find out, though. Maybe you could start with a tiny, miniature one, first, as a test…

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Kyle A. May 25, 2010 at 1:08 pm

I’m commenting on this only to say that I hate Ryan Phillipe, and his mere presence in a movie is usually reason enough for me to avoid it.

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Jessie K May 25, 2010 at 2:34 pm

Kyle A: So I’m not the only one who thinks RP is a Butterscotch Stallion.

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